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jdinham
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Post Mizzen Mast
on: December 28, 2010, 23:41

“we sail our Barbary as a sloop – the mizzen was removed before we bought her. The rigging on the mizzen is, as many say, a significant nuisance on the boat. what we don’t know is what performance are we losing and is it worth putting the mizzen back on (we do have it stored ashore)?.”

admin
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Posts: 20
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: December 29, 2010, 00:09

Jack,
Can't really envisage not having a mizzen on a Barbary. I will leave it to the "experts" amongst the members to reply more technically but my own comment is as follows:
Sail area on Barbary is not great and the rig needs all the help it can get.
Mizzen is a help in lumpy seas under motor. When other boats are wallowing all over the place, our Barbary sails pretty well with mizzen up.

Alan Ellicott - Site Administrator
Also ex-owner ( with Carole) of Barbary Spirit
see http://www.barbaryspirit.co.uk

AE
Owner
Posts: 7
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: December 29, 2010, 10:25

Hi Jack, for what it's worth we use our mizzen a lot. It is always the first sail to go up and in lots of wind we will sail with a proportion of the genoa out and the mizzen. Our mainsail is on a Bamar roller reef gear and is not that easy to pull out and stowe which might be part of the reason. (We are looking at a new main sail this winter.) Late and tired, running, in very bad weather we have sheeted the mizzen in fore and aft to minimise orrible motion and motored! Wouldn't be without it. Happy New Year to all. Adrian

Owner, with Jane Robinson, of 1972 Barbary Ketch, Barbary Rose. Keep her at Brightlingsea, in Essex. - Former names were "Gay Constance II" !!! and "Mere Idea"

djc
Owner
Posts: 19
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: December 30, 2010, 10:40

Hi Jack , I find the mizzen is worth having , many times if just out day sailing on a summers day the wind normally picks up to a F4 to 5 early afternoons and in those wind strengths the barbary sails along very happily with mizzen and genoa out in total control , not a lot slower then other yachts and should the wind increase further the barabry sails as fast or faster in that confirguration,
So i would say the mizzens definitly worth having , Giving a wide range of sail options the barbary has to suit our british weather , handy for mounting aerials radars etc. can help yawling when motorsailing and anchoring also. Hope this is of some help.
Happy New Year to All.
David.

David Coxon . Bardolino . Gosport .

admin
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Posts: 20
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: December 30, 2010, 22:03

I would agree with David that the mizzen is certainly worth having. We often sail with just the genoa and mizzen and, because we have roller reefing on the main boom and find it difficult to adjust in strong winds, we often dont bother to put it up. We therefore tend to have it all the way up or all the way down but this coming season we hope to be a bit more adventurous. With all three sails up, the Barbary will go faster than I ever expected. Just a small point, but the mizzen can generate a lot of weather helm and will try to turn the boat into wind. Being aft of the centre of rotation of the boat it can really have a strong effect on the helm. We have learnt to ease the mizzen in such situations to prevent the weathercock effect.

Alan Ellicott - Site Administrator
Also ex-owner ( with Carole) of Barbary Spirit
see http://www.barbaryspirit.co.uk

djc
Owner
Posts: 19
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: December 31, 2010, 13:44

Changing the theme slightly to mainsails , When i purchsed bardolino the main mast had been replaced with a sailspar mast and boom new main sail also . This in turn had slab reefing , x2 reefing points , so no furling boom reefing which seems a good move.
How ever when lowering the main i found it would drop all over the pilot house and the sail would get caught up on the windscreen wipers and any thing else for that matter. The sail was a right pain to stow away.
So decided to fit a stack pac system by Kemp's and had the main converted to fully batterned and it works fine now , just zip the cover up when finished ,no problem to put a reef in either , normally think of putting the first reef in about 18 knts ish if under full sail ..

David Coxon . Bardolino . Gosport .

nkilp
Owner
Posts: 2
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: May 23, 2011, 18:49

Re Mizzen mast.

We sail with just jib and mizzen more than 50% of our outings; (at least on of our 5 person syndicate maintains that the main slows her down; obvious nonsense) but she is very comfortable and controllable and well balanced under jib and mizzen, and dropping the main is far easier than reefing. Necessary to ease the mizzen to bear away.

To change the subject slightly; at our pre-purchase survey 14 years ago, the after cabin roof was noted slightly "dished" from the downward pressure of the mizzen mast, so when we had it down later for rigging replacement, an alloy plate about 18 inches square, was bonded to the underside of the GRP cabin roof, which solved the problem

Norman Kilpatrick. Barbeta. Poole.

admin
Administrator
Posts: 20
Post Re: Mizzen Mast
on: May 28, 2011, 22:34

Our mizzen also exerted pressure on the aft cabin roof and this was picked up by our surveyor when we bought Barbary Spirit in 2004. Evidently there is some strengthening at birth between the two skins of grp comprising the roof but on our boat the wood block was set to far aft to work properly. We have now got a very nice shaped beam supportiung the roof with a post set into each side of the central aft locker. This does not interfere with the bunks.
I will sort out a photograph and place it in the members posts area with a link from here soon.

Alan Ellicott - Site Administrator
Also ex-owner ( with Carole) of Barbary Spirit
see http://www.barbaryspirit.co.uk

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